Do Random Stats on Gear Make Sense for Neverwinter?

Every once in a while you encounter an interesting conversation about game mechanics that keeps lingering in your mind for quite some time. This article is about one of those occurrences. It’s been a few months since I randomly talked with Sharpedge about random stats on gear. I have to admit that I forgot how we got there or if there even was a shared sentiment at the end. It probably started because he likes to play Path of Exile, and Action RPGs do feature a completely different progression system in terms of gear.


Dating back to the original Diablo, ARPGs always had those random stats on gear. All items, even the rare and legendary ones, came with a certain range of stats or values. And chance decided how close to “bis” the item really was. In many cases players farmed the same item over and over again to get the perfect and maxed stat combination. MMOs in the meantime developed into a different direction. Chance would not determine the quality of an item, but more whether or not you would get it. It’s simply a different approach of how randomness and itemization is handled, but I think it’s worth looking into the benefits of the other world.

No more empty runs

Uhm, thanks! What a great reward!

What initially got me in terms of random stats and a corresponding loot system was the fact that it fixes on of the major complaints in Neverwinter. Players seem to want constant loot and no empty runs. I get that major drops are part of the motivational system in any game. It creates a feeling of having accomplished something and players want to experience it again. Neverwinter has that, but the issue is that the gear system is missing the sense of everyday progression, which is equally important. You can run a dungeon a 100 times and not get what you want. More importantly there is no certainty when you will get it, maybe never. This can lead to a situation where your gaming session feels meaningless.

Everyday progression

Now with random stats, a piece of equipment would drop every time. One run, one drop. The difference would be that you can’t be sure that you get a maxed item. So while you might get a piece of Relic gear, it could be of an inferior item level. Or with Armor Penetration and Recovery as offensive stats, which you might or might not need. In my opinion this would create a feeling of everyday progression, because you are guaranteed to get something. And it still keeps the big drop excitement alive, when you get the perfect and maxed stat combination.

Of course this is widely hypothetical. It’s unlikely to happen, because it would require systematic changes in so many areas. But I think it’s an interesting topic to talk about especially in an environment like Neverwinter where drops sometimes are hard to come by and literally everything is gated behind more or less absurd RNG.

Underdark as example?

One interesting aspect of this whole thing is the fact that the devs actually kind of experimented with it since Module 7: Underdark. The tiered Rings back then, and now the new Companion Gear, actually come pretty close. They have hardcoded ranks however and it’s not a true random system, where you can get stat A and B with values X and Y and a random combination of 0 to 2 slots. But it shows the devs might be willing to dive into a loot system that hands out one item per run and requires the players to grind for a maxed version.

What’s your take on the matter? Do you like the current MMO-ish loot system or would you rather switch to a randomized ARPG one? Share your thoughts in the comments below or visit the corresponding thread on our message board.

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j0Shi plays the Neverwinter MMORPG since the open BETA in 2013 and is a regular contributor to the blog and the whole UN:Project. Originally a Guardian Fighter, he has built up ALTs of all classes and plays on BIS/near-BIS level.

3 thoughts on “Do Random Stats on Gear Make Sense for Neverwinter?

  • May 15, 2017 at 7:45 am

    Path of Exile i will try this thank you josh 😛

  • May 15, 2017 at 9:23 am

    You my friend are a genius. I’m thinking about the hundreds of hours I’ve sunk into Diablo 3 and I just realized something. I don’t REGRET a single minute of play time. I feel as though I accomplished something every day and I always felt like I was progressing.

    There’s also 1 major difference between the 2 games: in Diablo you are not gated by RNG, you are only gated by time. I love their reward system because after a set time period with no good drops, the game starts forcing the mobs to drop decent items.

    In D3 I know that if I invest the time I will get the drop I want. In neverwinter I know that I’ll probably never get the drops I want and it prevents me from doing a lot of content. For example I’m farming artificers workshop for the slim chance at a legendary mount and my thinking is not ”sweet I’m going to get an orange mount finally”, it is actually “at least no one can say I didn’t try”.

  • May 15, 2017 at 11:42 pm

    Yes, certainly makes sense but knowing Cryptic they would gate the most reasonable gear, TIL wise tiered, with their +1 up to +5 or more if they want to, and the gear +5 would be radiculously hard to get and even more with the random stats. Basically we are adding one more RNG tier to the reward system, I would better not provoke something like this to Cryptic Developers.

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